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Today's Topics:
1. Re: 2nd Life (Timothy Shea)
2. Re: 2nd Life (Bonny_Allen@doh.state.fl.us)
3. Re: 2nd Life (Brian Loe)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 08:44:06 -0600
From: Timothy Shea <tim@tshea.net>
Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] 2nd Life
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Your comments are troubling. What possible reason do you have to put
down another organization or a person based on something you don't
like? The guy is trying to do a job and your comments are helpful.
I have worked for companies that have valid business reasons for all
sorts of stupid and lame things. In the case of Second Life - one of
the organizations I helped out in the last year had a marketing
presence on Second Life. I have helped out or worked for
organizations that an approved segment of the user base actively
cruised porn sites. Why? Because they many of their best customers
operated such sites (always paid on time and usually in cash).
So please spare us your moral outrage.
t.s
On Nov 8, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Brian Loe wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2007 3:49 PM, DRISCOLL, ROBERT <ROBDRI@safeco.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I wanted to get some feedback on a request to allow Second Life
> through our network. I was hoping that perhaps someone has
> experience with this application and can let me know what steps they
> took to mitigate the risks.
>
>
> I'm sorry I can't offer any technical advice on this subject but I
> am dying to know what the possible business purpose for such access
> is?! If your posting e-mail address is an indication of the company
> you're doing this for... well, I'll keep that in mind when it comes
> to my next insurance purchase (I like the teensurance idea)!
>
> I'd feel bad if you got in trouble using your company e-mail address
> when posting here, and especially posting such comments. However, if
> you do get in trouble I think you'll have grounds for a lawsuit -
> after all, they would be recognizing the problem of you letting it
> be known that they have games running on their network which means
> they'd be recognizing how bad of an idea such access is. Unless, of
> course, there's some very interesting business need for it.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 11:05:59 -0500
From: <Bonny_Allen@doh.state.fl.us>
Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] 2nd Life
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I second that Timothy. Its obvious the poster "knobody" is unaware of
the current trend, right or wrong, to perceive SL as a likely business
tool - IMHO a parallel to all the politicians using MySpace and Facebook
to attempt to reach voters. I am aware of industries that are using it
to recruit and businesses that use it to conduct job interviews.
It is always good to Google if one finds oneself lacking knowledge
about, say "possible business uses of Second Life" before publicly
making off the cuff negative (a kinda nasty to boot) remarks about
another person's place of business. Examples I found:
http://www.digitalfutureblog.org.nz/digital-strategy-v2/using-second-lif
e-as-a-business-tool/
http://blog.worldvillage.com/games/a_second_life_quick_start_powerful_bu
siness_tools_for_the_sl_newcomer.html
Best,
- Bonny
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[mailto:firewall-wizards-bounces@listserv.cybertrust.com] On Behalf Of
Timothy Shea
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 9:44 AM
To: Firewall Wizards Security Mailing List
Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] 2nd Life
Your comments are troubling. What possible reason do you have to put
down another organization or a person based on something you don't like?
The guy is trying to do a job and your comments are helpful.
I have worked for companies that have valid business reasons for all
sorts of stupid and lame things. In the case of Second Life - one of
the organizations I helped out in the last year had a marketing presence
on Second Life. I have helped out or worked for organizations that an
approved segment of the user base actively cruised porn sites. Why?
Because they many of their best customers operated such sites (always
paid on time and usually in cash).
So please spare us your moral outrage.
t.s
On Nov 8, 2007, at 9:47 AM, Brian Loe wrote:
On Nov 6, 2007 3:49 PM, DRISCOLL, ROBERT <ROBDRI@safeco.com>
wrote:
Hello,
I wanted to get some feedback on a request to allow
Second Life through our network. I was hoping that perhaps someone has
experience with this application and can let me know what steps they
took to mitigate the risks.
I'm sorry I can't offer any technical advice on this subject but
I am dying to know what the possible business purpose for such access
is?! If your posting e-mail address is an indication of the company
you're doing this for... well, I'll keep that in mind when it comes to
my next insurance purchase (I like the teensurance idea)!
I'd feel bad if you got in trouble using your company e-mail
address when posting here, and especially posting such comments.
However, if you do get in trouble I think you'll have grounds for a
lawsuit - after all, they would be recognizing the problem of you
letting it be known that they have games running on their network which
means they'd be recognizing how bad of an idea such access is. Unless,
of course, there's some very interesting business need for it.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2007 10:36:21 -0600
From: "Brian Loe" <knobdy@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] 2nd Life
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On Nov 9, 2007 8:44 AM, Timothy Shea <tim@tshea.net> wrote:
>
> So please spare us your moral outrage.
>
> t.s
>
Moral outrage?
I'm not sure what you read, or where, but it certainly wasn't the e-mail you
quoted.
He works for an insurance company. My insurance company has more info on me
than my wife. I don't want that information given up to some script kiddie!
I won't comment on your former employers - I keep my moral interests and
concerns to myself...
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