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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Gartner as usual.. (ArkanoiD)
2. Re: Gartner as usual.. (ArkanoiD)
3. Re: Gartner as usual.. (Paul Melson)
4. Re: Gartner as usual.. (Victor Williams)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 15:26:17 +0400
From: ArkanoiD <ark@eltex.net>
Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] Gartner as usual..
To: Victor Williams <vbwilliams@gmail.com>
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And what i hate most is that Gartner reports *are* being taken seriously,
causing "wag the dog effect" -- the "analysis" is worth nothing but its
market influence is *damaging*.
And what makes me wonder even more, even "sane" company spokespersons
do refer to Gartner, increasing our universe enthropy and contributing
to Gartner's reputation. For me it is just lack of responsibility.
Every time you make a non-critical reference to Garter, Jesus cries and
your karma falls below asolute zero.
About this given particular report, i found it most annoying that it is
simply ignored the McAfee/SC acquisition and impaired McAfee's
"comleteness of vision" or how do they call it. For sime obscure reason
Gartner *always* hated SC ;-) Seems that Gartner "analysts" either have no
clue about firewall technologies at all or just were bribed by Checkpoint
for years (who needs Checkpoint today? ;-)
On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 10:13:27PM -0500, Victor Williams wrote:
> The funniest part is that I assume the report is meant to be taken
> seriously, except "Magic" is part of its title. Actually, it doesn't
> get any funnier than that.
>
> On 5/20/2010 6:10 PM, ArkanoiD wrote:
> >http://www.paloaltonetworks.com/literature/whitepapers/Gartner-Magic-Quadrant2010.pdf
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> >..pure, organic, unblended BULLSHIT.
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 22 May 2010 03:06:22 +0400
From: ArkanoiD <ark@eltex.net>
Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] Gartner as usual..
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..and people keep asking me privately "what's wrong with gartner?"
What's right with it? Being not just clueless, but agressively ignorant, Gartner reports
are not just bad, they are *evil* (due to wag the dog effect).
Recommended reading to clarify the terms "evil" and "ignorant":
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/threatchaos/ciphertrust-buys-secure-computing/369
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/33391
Not surprising both guys are former Gartner employees?
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 03:10:12AM +0400, ArkanoiD wrote:
> http://www.paloaltonetworks.com/literature/whitepapers/Gartner-Magic-Quadrant2010.pdf
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 06:51:59 -0400
From: Paul Melson <pmelson@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] Gartner as usual..
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On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 7:10 PM, ArkanoiD <ark@eltex.net> wrote:
> http://www.paloaltonetworks.com/literature/whitepapers/Gartner-Magic-Quadrant2010.pdf
>
> ..pure, organic, unblended BULLSHIT.
Not disagreeing, but wondering what your main complaint is.
I'll be honest, had you not posted the link, I never would've read
this paper. I think firewalls are a mature enough concept that a
Gartner or Forrester paper on them is irrelevant. It's about as
useful as a research paper on bread. I mean, honestly, who's shopping
for their first firewall?
PaulM
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 22:13:27 -0500
From: Victor Williams <vbwilliams@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] Gartner as usual..
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The funniest part is that I assume the report is meant to be taken
seriously, except "Magic" is part of its title. Actually, it doesn't
get any funnier than that.
On 5/20/2010 6:10 PM, ArkanoiD wrote:
> http://www.paloaltonetworks.com/literature/whitepapers/Gartner-Magic-Quadrant2010.pdf
>
> ..pure, organic, unblended BULLSHIT.
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